# Transcript: First aid or occupational safety won’t save your life ## Description Is it still a hassle for you that you go through every year just for a signature and to meet safety regulations, but it doesn’t really prepare you for a real crisis? It can be done differently. How about using the principles of experiential learning to get the most out of the information? What if we prepared people in our organizations to provide first aid in a way that they can actually handle a crisis situation?Ondřej Koudela, founder of PrPom, will talk about first aid—and maybe it won’t just be talk ;) Who is Ondřej Koudela Ondřej Koudela studied paramedicine and sociology. At the same time, he became an experiential learning instructor and developed his skills in several different companies. From 2009 to 2013, he worked as a resuscitation nurse at the Clinic of Anesthesiology and Resuscitation at FN Motol. He has also worked as a lifeguard, business skills trainer, bartender, and taxi driver. Since 2013, he has also been practicing the peaceful martial art aikido. He combined his two passions—first aid and experiential learning—in 2012 when he founded PrPom.Since 2020, he has been a member of the Active Reserves of the Czech Army. As head of PrPom, he focuses on teaching first aid through experience, leads a team of more than 40 young instructors, and strives to improve first aid education in the Czech Republic. PrPom is also behind several awareness projects, including Myths about first aid, The smart car first aid kit, Don’t be afraid to help!, research on the quality of first aid training in driving schools, and the first Czech podcast about first aid called “Zapadlej jazyk”.  ## Transcript **[00:00:00]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:00:30]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:01:00]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:01:30]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:02:00]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:02:30]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:03:00]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:03:30]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:04:00]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:04:30]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:05:00]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:05:30]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:06:00]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:06:30]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:06:40]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:06:50]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:07:00]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:07:10]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:07:20]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:07:30]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:07:40]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:07:50]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:08:00]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:08:10]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:08:20]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:08:30]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:08:40]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:08:50]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:09:00]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:09:10]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:09:20]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:09:30]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:09:40]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:09:50]** Subtitles created by JohnyX http://johnyxcz.blogspot.com **[00:10:00]** to keep going. **[00:10:01]** That's real for me. **[00:10:03]** And when you do something real, it's an experience. **[00:10:08]** And a really big one. And that brings us back to the start. **[00:10:11]** So, theoretically, **[00:10:15]** what we try to do in those courses, **[00:10:17]** is that in the people who come to us, **[00:10:19]** we try to get this cycle spinning, **[00:10:22]** so it starts slowly and then spins faster and faster, **[00:10:25]** and so that the person leaves the course, **[00:10:27]** being able to create experiences for themselves, **[00:10:30]** based on which they boost their own confidence in certain topics, **[00:10:35]** and based on those topics, they become more capable of doing real things, **[00:10:39]** for themselves and for others. **[00:10:41]** And this keeps going round and round. **[00:10:43]** And we believe this is the only principle **[00:10:46]** to learn first aid, **[00:10:47]** and we think it can't be done any other way. **[00:10:49]** The second reason why we push so hard, **[00:10:54]** that first aid should only be taught through experiential pedagogy principles, **[00:10:58]** is that it has so many benefits. **[00:11:01]** The most obvious and straightforward benefit to mention, **[00:11:06]** is that if you buy first aid training for your company, **[00:11:09]** and it's quality, experiential, etc., **[00:11:11]** it's an incredibly powerful and inexpensive teambuilding. **[00:11:15]** That's probably the strongest benefit. **[00:11:16]** There are many benefits. **[00:11:18]** When you go through some experiential course, **[00:11:20]** it affects you not only through the skills, **[00:11:24]** but it also impacts you personally. **[00:11:26]** It moves you forward as a person, **[00:11:28]** not just as someone who provides first aid. **[00:11:31]** Experiences leave a mark on us overall. **[00:11:34]** These benefits are also very important to me, **[00:11:37]** and they are another motivator **[00:11:39]** why I want to do this long-term. **[00:11:43]** So far, more than ten thousand people have, **[00:11:46]** in some way, had an experience brought into their lives by us, **[00:11:49]** and we've helped them process it properly, **[00:11:51]** increased their confidence, **[00:11:53]** and helped them do real things. **[00:11:55]** And we don't intend to stop. **[00:11:58]** So. **[00:12:00]** And, quiz. Excellent. First question. **[00:12:03]** Please send your answers. **[00:12:06]** Write them into the slides, **[00:12:09]** where this question should have appeared by now. **[00:12:13]** And I'm asking you, **[00:12:16]** if you know what this logo is. **[00:12:20]** What it means. **[00:12:24]** I'll give you a moment to write. **[00:12:28]** If we've set this up correctly, **[00:12:31]** you can't see what others are writing, **[00:12:34]** so you're just on your own. **[00:12:37]** Try to each write your own idea, **[00:12:40]** what you think this logo represents. **[00:12:43]** A little more time. **[00:12:46]** And in a few seconds, I'll ask, **[00:12:50]** if we can see the final cloud. **[00:12:57]** Let's see. **[00:13:00]** Ah, I see it now. Red cross, medical doctor. **[00:13:03]** Great. Yes, excellent. **[00:13:06]** So, the correct answer. **[00:13:09]** It's not the big word 'ambulance', **[00:13:12]** when an ambulance is on the way and has this symbol, it's blue. **[00:13:16]** But specifically, this logo is the logo of the Záchranka app. **[00:13:20]** We push, promote, and support this absolutely great app **[00:13:25]** in all our courses, **[00:13:28]** which has already saved many human lives. **[00:13:32]** And I want it to continue and for this app to help you too. **[00:13:36]** So, that's the correct answer to the first question. **[00:13:41]** This is the logo of the Záchranka app, and if you don't have it on your phone yet **[00:13:45]** and don't know how to use it, **[00:13:48]** please make sure to do so. **[00:13:51]** I'll give you a homework assignment. **[00:13:54]** Install the Záchranka app, switch it to test mode, **[00:13:58]** try how it works, how to operate it, **[00:14:01]** and then keep it on your phone so it's easily accessible. **[00:14:05]** If you have children around you, please also consider **[00:14:09]** whether it would be good for your children to know how to activate the Záchranka app from your phone **[00:14:13]** in case they encounter any trouble. **[00:14:18]** So. **[00:14:20]** Now I have prepared for you **[00:14:25]** the first part of my life story, **[00:14:29]** a small experience. **[00:14:31]** In 1996, which I estimate, **[00:14:35]** I was about 13 years old, I guess, **[00:14:38]** when I found myself at my first traffic accident. **[00:14:42]** We were driving with my parents and my brother to go swimming in the Krušné Mountains, **[00:14:47]** and we stopped at a spot on a road, **[00:14:54]** where there was nothing around, between villages, and there was a car, a bike lying on the ground, and a body. **[00:14:59]** We got out and assessed the situation, **[00:15:03]** that it was a cyclist who either fell off the bike himself **[00:15:06]** or was hit, who knows. **[00:15:08]** He was quite badly injured, you could see he had a serious head injury, **[00:15:12]** with some broken parts on his forehead, **[00:15:15]** and it was definitely not a nice situation at all. **[00:15:18]** Even at that age, with what I knew, **[00:15:21]** I knew this was no joke. **[00:15:24]** At that time, I was a diligent student. **[00:15:27]** I knew everything about first aid. **[00:15:30]** All the manuals, I had read them, Red Cross, everything studied. **[00:15:34]** I grabbed my fanny pack, which had bandages and disinfectant, **[00:15:38]** and all those things. **[00:15:40]** I was really into it, I was genuinely interested, **[00:15:43]** I studied it and was totally immersed in the topic. **[00:15:46]** Guess what I did at the place where the person, **[00:15:50]** who needed me and my help, **[00:15:53]** guess what I did. **[00:15:55]** Nothing? Exactly. **[00:15:57]** Well, I did do something. **[00:15:59]** I got out of the car, holding the fanny pack open, **[00:16:02]** the strap hanging almost to the ground, I remember that, **[00:16:06]** I was looking, I think I was even shaking, **[00:16:10]** and that was it. **[00:16:12]** I left my parents and the man from the car, **[00:16:16]** to do all those silly things, **[00:16:19]** which I already knew were mistakes in first aid, **[00:16:22]** including giving a boy with altered consciousness **[00:16:26]** and a serious head injury something to drink, and so on, **[00:16:30]** everything you can imagine that could be done wrong in such a situation, **[00:16:33]** we managed it, and eventually the ambulance arrived. **[00:16:35]** It was the old Tatra truck. **[00:16:37]** No, Tatra, I don't know, it doesn't matter. **[00:16:41]** That was my first experience, **[00:16:44]** back then I didn't know how to process such things, **[00:16:47]** I just took it and didn't carry it with me through life. **[00:16:51]** So that's the first situation where I found myself at a traffic accident. **[00:16:56]** And after the story, the second quiz question. **[00:17:01]** So I'm asking you, **[00:17:04]** do you know what's inside those plastic cases? **[00:17:18]** To give you a hint, those of you who are maybe watching the stream **[00:17:21]** and haven't heard the question yet, **[00:17:24]** or haven't heard the hint yet, I'll give you a clue, **[00:17:27]** this is actually a photo from our warehouse. **[00:17:30]** We have this item in stock, **[00:17:32]** where we keep first aid teaching aids. **[00:17:35]** And we have a lot of them in stock. **[00:17:38]** So try to guess why and what is inside. **[00:17:42]** And here in the room, the results might be skewed, **[00:17:45]** because a hint was whispered, but that's okay, **[00:17:48]** it's fine, this isn't Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, **[00:17:52]** so no worries. **[00:17:55]** Alright, let's look at the results of the second quiz. **[00:17:58]** Show me. **[00:18:02]** Yeah, good, okay. **[00:18:04]** Toy, first aid kit, earplugs, wow, that's good, **[00:18:06]** that might come in handy in first aid when you've had enough. **[00:18:09]** Surprise, well, for some it might be a surprise, **[00:18:12]** but maybe thanks to the hint, **[00:18:15]** or maybe because this has spread enough, **[00:18:18]** the correct answer wins, **[00:18:21]** which is that inside are gloves. **[00:18:24]** Gloves are your one and only most important friend, **[00:18:27]** besides of course yourself, your hands, etc., **[00:18:30]** the only essential aid you need **[00:18:33]** to provide first aid are gloves. **[00:18:36]** With gloves, you can really make a difference in first aid, **[00:18:39]** and they're important not only because **[00:18:42]** they let you touch things and people **[00:18:45]** you might not feel comfortable with, or might feel threatened by, **[00:18:48]** because you could catch some contagious disease, **[00:18:52]** but gloves are also a good communication tool. **[00:18:56]** You take a course, learn the basics of first aid, **[00:19:00]** you come to a situation where first aid is happening **[00:19:06]** And the moment you put on gloves and people see it, **[00:19:09]** that's communication. The patient sees it, **[00:19:12]** they see you put on gloves and trust you more, **[00:19:16]** because the gloves communicate that I know something, I can do something, **[00:19:20]** I have help with me, I'm somehow prepared for the situation. **[00:19:23]** And you can calm the situation down quite significantly, **[00:19:26]** if you manage to do it. That's the second thing. **[00:19:29]** Of course, we give gloves as a basic gift **[00:19:32]** at every course we run, I hope other companies have copied that from us. **[00:19:35]** I also hope maybe some company that was before us, I don't know, but the second task, **[00:19:38]** which I have for you, remember to install **[00:19:43]** the Záchranka app and try it out. **[00:19:46]** And the second task I have for you is to always carry gloves with you, **[00:19:49]** everywhere, all the time. They come in handy not only for first aid, **[00:19:52]** but also if you have a dog, for example. **[00:19:55]** And ideally, create a situation where, no matter where you go or with what, **[00:20:00]** you always have some gloves with you. **[00:20:06]** That means stuff them into your purse, coat, jacket, car, bike, fanny pack, and so on. **[00:20:09]** Make sure you always have some gloves with you. **[00:20:19]** I also have them in my backpack, behind me. **[00:20:21]** So, second quiz question. **[00:20:25]** And the second story. **[00:20:28]** This is a photo of me as a little kid from 2006. **[00:20:30]** I'll tell you, I never worked as a garbage collector. **[00:20:34]** This is what paramedic uniforms looked like back then. **[00:20:38]** And this is a photo from when I was a student at a medical school studying to be a paramedic. **[00:20:41]** I was a typical representative of the majority of paramedics. **[00:20:49]** A paramedic who doesn't know how to teach first aid. **[00:20:54]** Because of course, I knew first aid, I knew it very well. **[00:20:58]** But that definitely doesn't mean I knew how to teach it. **[00:21:02]** That's a completely different thing. **[00:21:06]** And I remember an amazing moment from that time when I realized this. **[00:21:08]** As paramedic students, we used to go to non-medical schools to teach first aid. **[00:21:12]** Because such cooperation was arranged. **[00:21:18]** I went there with my friends who studied with me. **[00:21:21]** But by then, I was already an instructor. **[00:21:25]** I had already encountered experiential pedagogy. **[00:21:29]** I knew what possibilities there were in education, **[00:21:32]** that you can work with experience, model situations, and so on. **[00:21:39]** And at the same time, I knew what it looked like at the scene of the accident. **[00:21:42]** How people feel there, how they behave, what would probably help them the most. **[00:21:46]** With stress, of course, and so on. **[00:21:48]** And I caught myself realizing that I already knew all this. **[00:21:53]** I’m standing on a podium behind the lectern, speaking to about 30 students, **[00:21:58]** and I think I’m teaching them first aid. **[00:22:03]** And they’re eating it up. **[00:22:06]** Terrible. So embarrassing. **[00:22:09]** I still remember the moment it hit me, **[00:22:11]** and it was just stupid and crazy, **[00:22:14]** and it made me sad. **[00:22:16]** So I stopped doing it, some time passed, **[00:22:20]** and then I gradually started experimenting **[00:22:23]** with how to teach first aid through experience. **[00:22:26]** So I think that since I’ve embarrassed myself twice in front of you, **[00:22:30]** we could stop with those stories **[00:22:33]** and move on to something else. **[00:22:35]** Which is another quiz question, right, I forgot about that. **[00:22:39]** So please get ready again. **[00:22:42]** Get ready on the slide. **[00:22:44]** The question, besides you having read it, I will also read it to you. **[00:22:50]** In a situation where you are a layperson, a lay rescuer, **[00:22:54]** and you are dealing with bleeding in first aid, **[00:22:57]** into what types is it good to divide the bleeding? **[00:23:03]** So you can treat it properly, as it should be. **[00:23:07]** What different kinds of bleeding need to be distinguished from each other, **[00:23:11]** so that we always choose the right treatment? **[00:23:21]** I see a gentleman there peeking at a lady’s phone **[00:23:25]** and trying to copy. **[00:23:27]** And the lady in front of him is hiding the phone like this. **[00:23:30]** Beautiful. **[00:23:33]** Well, okay, let’s look at the answers. **[00:23:38]** And three, two, one. **[00:23:41]** Yes. **[00:23:43]** This turned out beautifully. **[00:23:45]** So the cliché that for first aid **[00:23:51]** is absolutely not useful in any way, **[00:23:54]** that one won. **[00:23:56]** And you really are a perfect sample of the population **[00:24:00]** and you divide bleeding into arterial and venous, **[00:24:03]** arterial and capillary bleeding, and so on. **[00:24:06]** You are definitely right. **[00:24:09]** There is arterial, venous, and possibly capillary bleeding. **[00:24:14]** And this definitely won't help you in first aid in any way, **[00:24:17]** and it doesn't matter at all. **[00:24:19]** Don't worry about the color, don't worry about whether it pulses or not. **[00:24:23]** The only correct criterion when looking at bleeding in first aid is, **[00:24:30]** whether it is massive bleeding or not. **[00:24:35]** That's all. **[00:24:37]** You recognize massive bleeding by the fact that it forms a pool. **[00:24:42]** It's that clear, ugly, and simple. **[00:24:48]** If there is no pool, then probably some bandage is enough, **[00:24:51]** or maybe you don't have to deal with it at all. **[00:24:53]** Massive bleeding doesn't have to be treated in first aid at all, **[00:24:56]** but you can just leave it if someone has a broken forehead, **[00:24:59]** and has splashes across their face like this, you can just leave it. **[00:25:05]** On the other hand, we treat massive bleeding with things, **[00:25:08]** which I hope are taught in most first aid courses, and hopefully, **[00:25:12]** at least somewhat practically. **[00:25:14]** You apply a pressure bandage or a tourniquet, and so on. **[00:25:20]** Details in the course. Let's move on. **[00:25:26]** Now I want to talk a bit with you about, **[00:25:28]** what is actually behind learning first aid **[00:25:34]** and giving first aid. **[00:25:37]** The whole principle we work with, **[00:25:40]** which is so incredibly important to us, **[00:25:42]** I call having your inner hero. **[00:25:46]** I often ask people who is a hero to them, **[00:25:50]** what heroism means, and so on. **[00:25:53]** And I go back through all the Avengers and all the Supermans, **[00:25:58]** and people who have laser eyes and stop bullets with their hands. **[00:26:02]** That was in The Matrix, right? I love The Matrix. **[00:26:05]** Then there is a minority of people for whom heroism means, **[00:26:10]** that when my car breaks down, someone stops to help me. **[00:26:15]** They put out the triangle that I forgot, **[00:26:18]** come to me, say hi, I'm Joe, **[00:26:21]** put on your vest, you idiot, I already have mine, okay? **[00:26:24]** And they start helping me somehow in that situation, **[00:26:28]** so I can manage and solve it properly. **[00:26:31]** This, to me, is much more important heroism. **[00:26:34]** much more genuine heroism, **[00:26:36]** here I come across one of our values again, **[00:26:39]** the one I care about the most. **[00:26:41]** And to be able to stand in this kind of heroism, **[00:26:46]** we need our inner hero. **[00:26:49]** That's what I call it, okay? You can call it something completely different, **[00:26:52]** but anyway, it's that thing **[00:26:54]** that takes over when you get stressed and face a crisis, **[00:26:58]** it takes the helm **[00:27:01]** and drives the whole thing for you. **[00:27:04]** And then suddenly the crisis is over, **[00:27:07]** you shake it off, **[00:27:09]** and return to your natural mode, **[00:27:11]** the one you're used to functioning in, and you move on. **[00:27:15]** So what was guiding you in that crisis situation? **[00:27:18]** Call it whatever you need, I call it the inner hero, **[00:27:22]** and I am convinced **[00:27:24]** that our society is characterized by the fact **[00:27:27]** that we stopped caring for and about our inner hero. **[00:27:33]** As a result, our inner hero is deteriorating, **[00:27:37]** and to help us solve crisis situations, **[00:27:40]** we only gave it a few tools, **[00:27:42]** actually just the tools it was born with. **[00:27:45]** Those are the three U's. **[00:27:47]** Run away, attack, or freeze, I think. **[00:27:51]** These three tools are what it is born with, **[00:27:53]** and if you don't take care of it, it won't know anything else. **[00:27:56]** And in every situation, it just chooses what will affect you. **[00:28:00]** And maybe everyone knows this and everyone has it a bit differently. **[00:28:04]** Well, another situation is, and you see the result on the slide, **[00:28:10]** and maybe you've seen it in real life too, **[00:28:12]** that there's a person lying on the ground who clearly needs help, **[00:28:15]** and around them are people who don't really know what to do, **[00:28:18]** some are frozen or have flight responses, **[00:28:20]** or are irritated because they don't know what to do, **[00:28:24]** and they're stressed, but there's actually not much help. **[00:28:28]** It might get posted on Instagram, but that's about it. **[00:28:33]** And that's the situation we want to prevent, **[00:28:35]** and that's the situation we want to challenge you with, **[00:28:38]** so next time it goes differently. **[00:28:43]** How to train your inner hero? **[00:28:45]** This is a typical situation, like most I've seen, **[00:28:50]** various surveys, and in reality, from talking to people, **[00:28:53]** this is usually how it works. **[00:28:55]** When I'm sitting on the couch watching some climber, **[00:28:59]** watching football and so on, **[00:29:01]** the training of my inner hero is zero. **[00:29:04]** Lying on the floor, staring at the phone, what else to do? **[00:29:07]** Nothing interesting is happening. **[00:29:09]** Meanwhile, look at that climber. **[00:29:12]** He's working hard and getting into situations **[00:29:15]** where the inner hero has no choice but to work hard too. **[00:29:19]** Which brings me to the question. **[00:29:22]** How would you improve the functioning **[00:29:28]** of your inner hero in your life? **[00:29:30]** How would you train it? **[00:29:32]** What would you do to make it better? **[00:29:35]** If I'm not mistaken, this is a slide with a question. **[00:29:38]** Feel free to write it there. **[00:29:42]** Write some ideas on how you think it would be good **[00:29:48]** to train your inner hero. **[00:29:51]** What could you do? **[00:29:53]** So that when you face a crisis or difficult situation, **[00:29:58]** it works at its best, **[00:30:00]** and guides you through the situation as well as possible. **[00:30:03]** So you succeed, so you help. **[00:30:06]** Can we look at the results? **[00:30:12]** Ah. **[00:30:13]** Experience, sure. Experience and a smiley too. Great. **[00:30:18]** I'm happy you wrote that, thank you. **[00:30:22]** Challenges, practice, practical experience, experiences, teaching it to train. **[00:30:28]** Staying calm, I wouldn't sign under that, **[00:30:31]** but most of these things show you're following me **[00:30:35]** and you're starting to get where I want to take you. **[00:30:38]** Stepping out of the comfort zone, as just mentioned, that's beautiful. **[00:30:42]** That almost sounds like someone who is really into this topic, **[00:30:46]** and it's great that you said that, thank you very much. **[00:30:49]** Most of you are definitely hitting the mark and sense what is good to do. **[00:30:55]** When we run experiential courses and work with experiential pedagogy, **[00:31:02]** we have a theoretical tool for that, **[00:31:05]** This is the absolute basic foundation of experiential learning, **[00:31:09]** it's called the so-called Kolb's cycle. **[00:31:12]** It works in a way that you move the participant, **[00:31:16]** the learner, through a kind of spiral, **[00:31:20]** where at the beginning there is an experience, **[00:31:26]** where as a trainer you try to make the experience a suitable challenge, **[00:31:30]** neither too easy nor too hard. **[00:31:33]** And you let the person enter an uncomfortable situation, **[00:31:36]** which they have to solve. **[00:31:38]** Next is the experience itself. **[00:31:42]** Then we move on to reflection, which means looking back, **[00:31:46]** after going through the experience, **[00:31:48]** maybe we succeeded, maybe not, both are fine, **[00:31:52]** we look back and describe it. **[00:31:54]** It went like this, I felt this way. **[00:31:57]** Then comes some evaluation, where you assess, **[00:32:02]** yeah, I want to go through it like this next time, or maybe not. **[00:32:06]** I evaluate it and want some change, **[00:32:08]** which of course happens more often. **[00:32:10]** From that comes the next phase, the plan, **[00:32:13]** where you agree with yourself or maybe with a team, **[00:32:16]** hey, next time we do this activity again, **[00:32:19]** we'll do one, two, three, four, five, six, **[00:32:22]** you start by going there and first do ten squats, **[00:32:25]** or something like that, okay. **[00:32:27]** We'll take an umbrella next time we go running. **[00:32:30]** And ideally, another experience comes again, **[00:32:33]** and the whole cycle repeats. **[00:32:36]** Except it's not a circle, **[00:32:38]** because with each experience, **[00:32:40]** and each time you process and reflect on the experience, **[00:32:43]** evaluate it and set a plan, **[00:32:46]** how you want to go through a similar situation next time, **[00:32:48]** it's no longer a circle, but a spiral, **[00:32:50]** because there is always some progress, **[00:32:52]** and you enter each experience enriched **[00:32:55]** by what you tried before. **[00:32:58]** This is simply Kolb's cycle, **[00:33:00]** this is the basic tool we use, **[00:33:04]** and I really hope that many others use it too, **[00:33:08]** when first aid is being taught. **[00:33:13]** And this is what it looks like in practice. **[00:33:19]** Let me remind you once again. **[00:33:21]** An ideal first aid course looks like this, **[00:33:25]** there's always something going on. **[00:33:28]** People move around, stand up, sit down, **[00:33:31]** there are model situations, **[00:33:34]** where, for example, a traffic accident is simulated, **[00:33:37]** resuscitation is done in such a way, **[00:33:39]** that the whole story is played out first. **[00:33:42]** That means a model situation is prepared **[00:33:45]** in a room where the rescuers then enter, **[00:33:48]** try to find out what is happening, and so on. **[00:33:50]** We learn through play. **[00:33:52]** If you have ever played LARP, that's exactly it. **[00:33:55]** That's what we do in these courses. **[00:33:57]** We perform small plays that are well made up, **[00:34:01]** and the actors in these plays are the participants. **[00:34:06]** This is not very common in first aid training, **[00:34:09]** but we strongly stand behind this principle. **[00:34:11]** When you come to our first aid course, **[00:34:13]** you find yourself in the role of the actor, **[00:34:16]** pretending that something happened to them, **[00:34:18]** playing the injured or affected person, **[00:34:21]** the patient, and so on, **[00:34:23]** you also find yourself in the role of the rescuer, **[00:34:26]** and also in the role of the evaluator. **[00:34:29]** That means at the model situation you stand, **[00:34:32]** observe the actors, observe the rescuers, **[00:34:35]** and then give them feedback. **[00:34:39]** By the way, this has a very strong teambuilding effect, **[00:34:42]** because after a model situation that is live, dynamic, **[00:34:46]** stressful, demanding, and so on, **[00:34:48]** the people who participated, **[00:34:50]** sit in a circle and the instructor guides them **[00:34:53]** to give each other feedback, **[00:34:58]** how it went, how they felt, what each person did, **[00:35:01]** how they want to do it next time, and so on. **[00:35:03]** That means our instructor guides and teaches them **[00:35:06]** how to communicate a crisis and unpleasant experience together, **[00:35:09]** give feedback and start the next adventure. **[00:35:13]** By the way, this is another element **[00:35:15]** that appears in first aid courses. **[00:35:17]** I wanted to highlight that for you as well. **[00:35:21]** What we obviously hope for is that **[00:35:25]** next time the situation will look like this, **[00:35:27]** that when some accident happens, **[00:35:29]** meaning someone here in our country, **[00:35:32]** in that small yard between the mountains, **[00:35:34]** needs help from another person, **[00:35:37]** we want, with the highest probability, **[00:35:42]** that among the crowd of bystanders there will be someone **[00:35:45]** who has their inner hero **[00:35:47]** so well trained and ready, **[00:35:50]** that they can step out of the crowd, **[00:35:52]** put their phone in their pocket, and actually do something. **[00:35:56]** That is where we want to get with this, **[00:35:59]** and that is what we fiercely strive for, **[00:36:02]** when we keep saying **[00:36:04]** that first aid should be learned through experience. **[00:36:06]** This is our goal. **[00:36:08]** And I want to win all of you over **[00:36:15]** and get you on board with this idea. **[00:36:19]** I want you to become members of a large, so far nationwide, **[00:36:27]** but we will see later, army of inner heroes, **[00:36:31]** that is so numerous and so strongly spread across the whole country, **[00:36:38]** that whenever anyone gets into trouble, **[00:36:42]** they will receive help. **[00:36:46]** I even have a picture for this. **[00:36:48]** At Legerace, I call it Dumbledore's Army. **[00:36:51]** Dumbledore's Army. **[00:36:53]** Brumbál's Army. **[00:36:55]** And this is exactly the situation I want... **[00:36:58]** Pardon? **[00:37:00]** What happened? **[00:37:03]** Oh, the lady fell. Ah, okay. **[00:37:06]** And do you know what to do? **[00:37:15]** Well... **[00:37:22]** If you allow me, I will guide you through the situation, if I may. **[00:37:26]** Definitely stay with the lady, I understand you won't do anything else. **[00:37:30]** So, what's the first thing that comes to mind that could be done correctly? **[00:37:34]** I like that you made space here, **[00:37:36]** so you can move around the lady normally. **[00:37:38]** And what else could be done? **[00:37:41]** Lift her legs. **[00:37:43]** Lift her legs. **[00:37:45]** And if you don't know, have no idea, or no one to advise you? **[00:37:51]** The Záchranka app. **[00:37:53]** The Záchranka app, good. I'll call the rescue service. **[00:37:56]** I'll even give you the phone. **[00:37:58]** Please don't call the rescue service, I'll give you the phone. **[00:38:01]** They even have voice guidance now. **[00:38:04]** And since you came up with it, please be kind and call the rescue service. **[00:38:10]** That's a great idea, that's a great idea. **[00:38:13]** And if you let me be your guide, do you need me to advise you or not? **[00:38:19]** Okay, okay. Please, this is the first question, so where did we start to assess? **[00:38:24]** Hi, at the shopping center. **[00:38:27]** And where do you work? **[00:38:30]** Good, and exactly where? **[00:38:33]** And where do you work? **[00:38:35]** And where do you work? **[00:38:37]** Okay, you have an example, I am... **[00:38:39]** And can you get someone, for example, in the sandpit? **[00:38:43]** Yes, definitely. **[00:38:45]** Yes, definitely. **[00:38:47]** Great, thank you. And now I'll ask you to stay there. **[00:38:50]** Well, ma'am, I'm breathing, but I'm losing consciousness. **[00:38:55]** Okay, speak louder, what did you find about the lady? **[00:38:58]** Well, I would remind you, when you put your head on me, you counted. **[00:39:03]** Yeah, but you have it. **[00:39:06]** Okay, if the head is not responding, when you call me, the child starts reacting to you. **[00:39:11]** And try it? No response. **[00:39:14]** Okay, could this be dangerous for you? **[00:39:18]** Well, I don't know. **[00:39:20]** Okay, then I ask you, you will need to examine the main pulse. **[00:39:25]** If you can, I would create this classic department further. **[00:39:29]** If you can, stay with me, observe and help. **[00:39:31]** Yes, I'm with you. **[00:39:33]** Okay, please kneel right by the head. **[00:39:37]** And you can go over the head. **[00:39:39]** You do it by placing one hand completely on your forehead, **[00:39:44]** and the other hand, for example, with fingers under your chin, **[00:39:48]** and rest on that chin and press on the forehead, **[00:39:51]** tilt your head so that the back of your head touches the lowest part of the ceiling. **[00:39:55]** Yes. **[00:39:56]** Do you have it the first time? **[00:39:57]** Yes. **[00:39:58]** Good, now please. **[00:40:00]** Put your ear close to that spot and look elsewhere, then tell me to continue when you exhale. **[00:40:16]** You want to tilt your head even more, so we succeed. **[00:40:22]** We know, just tilt your head three special ways so you do it as well as possible with both heads. **[00:40:28]** Now she exhaled. **[00:40:31]** Inhale. **[00:40:33]** Now she exhaled. **[00:40:36]** Inhale. **[00:40:38]** Exhale. **[00:40:40]** Inhale. **[00:40:42]** Exhale. **[00:40:44]** We are talking knees. **[00:40:58]** And possibly thanks to you. Because of the whole supported head base, start checking if it really still moves. **[00:41:08]** And it will stay like this until the hundredth base. If anything changes, call us back, okay? **[00:41:16]** Alright, that's all from me. Thank you very much for the great work. **[00:41:21]** I will get emotional. **[00:41:23]** You can play it. **[00:41:25]** I can't, I have to wait to give it. **[00:41:28]** Thank you very much. You were great, you were steady. We can end this model situation here. **[00:41:34]** Thank you very much. **[00:41:43]** Since we are in this situation, I would like to introduce our HR manager, Eliška Blašková. **[00:41:51]** Alright, thank you. **[00:41:53]** If you want to chat a bit longer, please take a seat. **[00:41:57]** And I have a few more things I can offer you. **[00:42:13]** The most important thing I want to ask now is if everyone feels okay. **[00:42:20]** If you didn't feel sick from the situation, if it wasn't too unpleasant for you, **[00:42:24]** or something like that, if you do feel unwell, then Eliška together with her colleague, **[00:42:31]** who is sitting to her left and is named Nikola, can take you aside, **[00:42:37]** you can get some fresh air, talk about it, or anything you need. **[00:42:42]** This is, of course, also part of the first aid course. **[00:42:45]** When we record people with such surprises and model situations, **[00:42:49]** we are basically playing with fire. **[00:42:50]** Experiential education is like that. **[00:42:53]** It can trigger situations that are so uncomfortable for people, **[00:42:57]** that they feel unwell, and that's okay, **[00:43:00]** but we have to be prepared to handle it and bring them back to their comfort zone. **[00:43:06]** By the way, this is another thing you need to train for, **[00:43:10]** if you want to be a first aid instructor and need to know at least the basics of psychological first aid. **[00:43:16]** Alright, thanks again for the role-play scenario. **[00:43:22]** When this talk is over, we can of course sit down in a circle or group, **[00:43:27]** and talk about what the experience was like for you, **[00:43:31]** how you felt during it, and so on. **[00:43:34]** Anyway, this was, for me, the most important part of the talk with you, **[00:43:42]** where I tried to show you as best as possible and let you experience, **[00:43:49]** how a proper first aid course should run. **[00:43:53]** And if this doesn't happen in the first aid course you attend, **[00:43:59]** you might as well go home. **[00:44:06]** Just a side note. **[00:44:08]** Of course, when we try to achieve our success, **[00:44:15]** that there are enough internal heroes trained and able to respond, **[00:44:19]** in our country, and we try to awaken as many as possible, **[00:44:23]** the strongest resource we have and where we succeed the most are companies. **[00:44:30]** We most often manage to enter corporate education, **[00:44:35]** usually under the guise of teambuilding. **[00:44:38]** We try to bring first aid there and reach the people we need to educate, **[00:44:43]** and this is how we get in. **[00:44:48]** And we often get answers that, from my perspective, are sometimes even funny. **[00:44:53]** It's obvious the company has enough money to do this for their people, **[00:44:59]** but they say they don't have a budget. **[00:45:01]** Another question, which we'll get to, is whether it could be shorter. **[00:45:07]** Maybe just an hour or an hour and a half, that would be enough. **[00:45:11]** No, because the guy who always comes here only has a few slides and it's done quickly. **[00:45:16]** So could it be shortened a bit? **[00:45:18]** Or maybe just one instructor would be enough. **[00:45:24]** We start the role-play scenario. **[00:45:27]** The scenario is running. **[00:45:30]** Someone feels sick during the scenario and needs to leave. **[00:45:34]** And where is the one instructor then? **[00:45:36]** He has to continue the scenario, **[00:45:39]** because it's been paid for, it's a service, and it must be delivered. **[00:45:44]** Meanwhile, he has the person who needs to be taken aside, **[00:45:47]** cared for, and brought back to comfort, because that's part of his job too. **[00:45:52]** He has to split himself in two. **[00:45:54]** In other words, these companies are telling us that first aid is not a priority for them right now. **[00:46:03]** They are not addressing it. **[00:46:05]** And I wonder if we are no longer in a time when it should actually be a priority. **[00:46:13]** Just a small hint of how close Ukraine is, where the fighting is happening right now, **[00:46:20]** and terrible things are happening there, like ambulances not arriving even after an hour. **[00:46:28]** So what are we going to do together then? **[00:46:32]** I have been convinced of this for a long time, **[00:46:39]** but now the situation around us is more vivid and dynamic, **[00:46:44]** and I am convinced this should be a priority and always be a priority. **[00:46:49]** So I have prepared a quick checklist or guide for you, **[00:46:57]** on how to ensure that the course purchased for your company will be of high quality. **[00:47:05]** First of all, this recommendation is not tied to any specific company at all. **[00:47:13]** Just keep an eye on these criteria, and fortunately, there are already several companies in the Czech Republic **[00:47:21]** that can meet and deliver this, and if you include this as part of your order, **[00:47:27]** you have a good chance that the course will succeed, be high quality, and effective, **[00:47:32]** and you will also get a very intensive and very good team building experience. **[00:47:37]** The conditions are, first, the course must be based on the principles of experiential learning. **[00:47:45]** Your provider should know this and declare that they do it this way. **[00:47:50]** Secondly, it doesn't make sense— we can discuss this in detail in the discussion, **[00:47:56]** but I don't want to go into it now— a course shorter than 6 hours doesn't make sense. **[00:48:01]** The important things can't be covered. **[00:48:04]** The course has a certain dramaturgy, it has a development, **[00:48:07]** you have to work with the person in some way before letting them into a big model situation, **[00:48:12]** so they learn from it and it’s not just a continuous nightmare for them. **[00:48:17]** It takes time to prepare the person to be willing to go through something like that. **[00:48:23]** The course must include model situations, that is essential, **[00:48:26]** and wound dressing, which I think is also quite important. **[00:48:31]** What is very, very important is feedback. **[00:48:35]** This is another tool used in experiential learning. **[00:48:38]** If we take the risk and courage **[00:48:42]** to work with experience and create a real experience for people, **[00:48:46]** then feedback must follow, **[00:48:48]** in which, for example, we can identify a person **[00:48:51]** who has suffered an emotional injury and we can now treat them. **[00:48:54]** Or, of course, the main purpose of feedback **[00:48:58]** is to support the learning process. **[00:49:01]** Meaning to make the learning as effective as possible **[00:49:03]** and to ensure the person takes away as much as possible from the experience. **[00:49:06]** Then, as we already discussed, there should be at least two instructors. **[00:49:12]** And possibly, and this follows from that, **[00:49:16]** A course like this has a certain budget. **[00:49:18]** A first aid course simply doesn't cost just a few thousand. **[00:49:21]** Or it does, but then you've thrown the money out the window. **[00:49:25]** A first aid course that actually works is influenced by the fact **[00:49:28]** that it needs some materials, it needs a team of instructors, **[00:49:33]** who have some training, have their own internal education, **[00:49:37]** and many other things. **[00:49:40]** And I think a good perspective to look at it from is, **[00:49:44]** I'm buying a very cheap and very effective teambuilding, **[00:49:51]** which delivers value, people will know first aid. **[00:49:56]** If you frame it like that, it's cheap. **[00:50:00]** The budget suddenly fits and it's fine. **[00:50:04]** Then I have a note. Things you don't have to worry about when buying a first aid course **[00:50:09]** and that aren't important. **[00:50:11]** First is accreditation. **[00:50:15]** In the Czech Republic, there are several ways to accredit **[00:50:20]** a first aid course and have a certificate that you can provide first aid education. **[00:50:26]** And none of these accreditations are set up in a way **[00:50:32]** to guarantee that the course will have sufficient quality. **[00:50:38]** So far, all accreditations for first aid courses **[00:50:42]** are just paperwork, it's only bureaucracy, **[00:50:45]** and it doesn't affect the quality of the course. **[00:50:47]** And if someone creates a first aid course that looks like this, **[00:50:50]** where you sit all day in a chair and never stand up, **[00:50:53]** just go to the bathroom a few times, **[00:50:55]** such a lousy course can get accreditation **[00:50:59]** and it will be completely fine. **[00:51:01]** From the authorities' perspective, it's totally fine, **[00:51:03]** but from mine, definitely not. **[00:51:06]** Another thing you don't have to worry about is uniforms. **[00:51:09]** It doesn't matter what the instructor is wearing. **[00:51:13]** Personally, I prefer when the first aid instructor comes in civilian clothes, **[00:51:18]** because that way they stand on your side. **[00:51:21]** Civilian first aid is definitely not given in uniform, **[00:51:25]** but in civilian clothes, whatever you came in, **[00:51:28]** just like we were here a moment ago. **[00:51:30]** I sometimes interpret a paramedic uniform in a first aid course as **[00:51:34]** a sign that the authority gained through quality instructor skills is missing **[00:51:41]** and is compensated by having authority thanks to reflective pants. **[00:51:47]** I don't think this is the right approach, **[00:51:49]** that we should do in first aid courses. **[00:51:52]** It also violates our value of authenticity. **[00:51:54]** I don't think it belongs in those courses. **[00:51:56]** It simply belongs to work, it's work attire. **[00:52:00]** And the third thing, which I think doesn't need to be addressed, **[00:52:04]** are titles. **[00:52:07]** For a long, long time, we have still been struggling with the fact **[00:52:10]** that many people think that the person teaching me first aid **[00:52:13]** must have medical education. **[00:52:16]** I don't think so. I really don't. **[00:52:19]** At PrPom, we have definitely tested **[00:52:21]** that we can make an excellent first aid instructor **[00:52:24]** out of a barista or a geologist, for example. **[00:52:27]** Tested. **[00:52:29]** Yes, it works. **[00:52:31]** The company as a whole just **[00:52:33]** has to provide a quality educational system. **[00:52:38]** The person becoming a first aid instructor **[00:52:41]** must go through a sufficient amount of experiences, **[00:52:45]** situations, education, and so on, **[00:52:47]** so they don't teach nonsense in the course **[00:52:49]** and so they are a quality instructor. **[00:52:51]** They must be able to work well with your experience, **[00:52:54]** give targeted feedback, **[00:52:56]** as it should be, and so on. **[00:52:58]** That's essential. **[00:53:00]** But whether they have 'mudr' before their name or not, **[00:53:03]** that doesn't matter. **[00:53:08]** So. **[00:53:10]** Click, click. **[00:53:11]** And, excellent. **[00:53:12]** Did I skip something? **[00:53:14]** No, I don't think so. **[00:53:15]** Well, good, I didn't skip. **[00:53:17]** So. **[00:53:20]** A tip at the end. **[00:53:22]** Because I feel like I've exhausted myself, **[00:53:25]** that I've offered you the best I can. **[00:53:30]** If you want to get to this topic sooner **[00:53:34]** and in some other way, **[00:53:36]** rather than going to some first aid course **[00:53:39]** or arranging one for your company. **[00:53:42]** So, I’m offering you our new podcast now, **[00:53:45]** which we’ve started making. **[00:53:47]** It already has over 10 episodes, **[00:53:49]** is nicely established, **[00:53:50]** has quite a few listeners, and so on, **[00:53:52]** but it’s still new, **[00:53:53]** so I decided to tell you about it here today, **[00:53:55]** to share it with you. **[00:53:56]** We have a podcast called Zapadlej jazyk. **[00:54:00]** In this podcast, you can listen to, **[00:54:03]** most often we release, **[00:54:05]** one episode every Friday, **[00:54:08]** which is from the series Myths about First Aid. **[00:54:12]** We always take some nonsense **[00:54:14]** that people believe about first aid, **[00:54:16]** bring in an instructor, **[00:54:18]** who ideally has personal experience with it, **[00:54:21]** and we talk about it. **[00:54:22]** They’re basically quarter-hour quick listens, **[00:54:24]** where you quickly take a topic, **[00:54:26]** listen, and at least get a bit smarter. **[00:54:29]** Besides that, we sometimes add an extra episode. **[00:54:34]** If you’re more from that sphere and target group, **[00:54:37]** you might be interested in the episode with Ms. Kryčarová, **[00:54:42]** who is an HR specialist from a large company, **[00:54:45]** managing a hundred people, **[00:54:47]** and I talk with her about **[00:54:49]** how she handles first aid courses in her company, **[00:54:52]** how she used the ambassador principle for it, **[00:54:55]** why she did it that way, **[00:54:57]** what it means for the company, **[00:54:59]** what good effects it has, and so on. **[00:55:01]** If you’re close to HR, **[00:55:03]** this could definitely interest and entertain you, **[00:55:05]** because she explained it really well, **[00:55:09]** and there are good tips **[00:55:11]** that could enrich you. **[00:55:13]** At least, I want to tempt you with this episode. **[00:55:16]** So this is a podcast called Zapadlaj jazyk. **[00:55:19]** You can find it anywhere you look for a podcast. **[00:55:22]** So, that's it, dear friends. **[00:55:27]** Everything I prepared for you. **[00:55:29]** Once again, thank you very much, **[00:55:31]** for being willing to join me on this adventure, **[00:55:34]** with which we surprised you here. **[00:55:37]** I am Ondřej Koudyla, **[00:55:39]** I am SPRP-om and I want you to know first aid. **[00:55:41]** Thank you. **[00:55:43]** Applause **[00:55:45]** I'll move over to you. **[00:55:54]** First of all, I want to thank you very much **[00:55:59]** for this little experiment and quirk, **[00:56:03]** which kept me awake for 14 days, maybe even longer, **[00:56:07]** if it succeeds, but... **[00:56:10]** Sorry. **[00:56:12]** Great. And I can say, **[00:56:13]** that even though I knew what was going to happen, **[00:56:15]** even though I knew it would happen, **[00:56:17]** even though I knew on which slide it would happen and so on, **[00:56:19]** it still gave me a jolt when it happened. **[00:56:21]** Yes. **[00:56:23]** That it really worked. **[00:56:24]** So thank you very much for that. **[00:56:27]** Thanks also to the colleague who took care of it brilliantly. **[00:56:29]** And I can say this is actually the second time **[00:56:33]** in the entire decade-long history of the breakfast, **[00:56:37]** that we've done something like an interactive workshop. **[00:56:40]** Because what you heard and so on, **[00:56:43]** was heard by all those people in many companies, **[00:56:45]** where these things happen. **[00:56:47]** That means they experienced it with you. **[00:56:48]** So I want to ask you, **[00:56:50]** please try to send us feedback, **[00:56:52]** on how it affected you. **[00:56:55]** I would really appreciate that information. **[00:56:57]** Whether it worked for you or not, **[00:57:01]** whether it gave you a jolt, or how you reacted, **[00:57:05]** I would like to ask everyone, **[00:57:07]** who watched, if it worked. **[00:57:09]** So once again, thank you very much. **[00:57:10]** There are traditionally many questions. **[00:57:13]** I responded because I was taking notes. **[00:57:18]** You said one interesting thing. **[00:57:21]** I have the emergency app on my phone, **[00:57:23]** but you said to teach your kids how to use the emergency app. **[00:57:29]** That never occurred to me. **[00:57:31]** And there’s actually an interesting question about that. **[00:57:35]** At what age do you recommend kids attend a non-experience-based course? **[00:57:41]** It’s a blood puddle, everyone is made up, and so on. **[00:57:45]** Now I imagine my little ones trying to grasp it, **[00:57:48]** but maybe it doesn’t have to be that hardcore. **[00:57:53]** On one hand, **[00:57:55]** what happens in those courses is hardcore. **[00:57:58]** They work with scenarios like a traffic accident, **[00:58:01]** with seriously injured people. **[00:58:03]** And it’s not exactly fun. **[00:58:05]** On the other hand, **[00:58:07]** do you read fairy tales to your kids? **[00:58:10]** Have you ever read the Brothers Grimm fairy tales? **[00:58:15]** That’s hardcore too. **[00:58:18]** So the question is... **[00:58:21]** I don’t know. **[00:58:23]** I wouldn’t even ask so much, **[00:58:25]** if the things they expose their child to, **[00:58:28]** are very harsh or strict. **[00:58:32]** I would rather ask, **[00:58:34]** if the things I invite my child to, **[00:58:37]** are authentic enough. **[00:58:40]** If it’s really true. **[00:58:42]** If they show the child the real world, **[00:58:45]** or if they maybe paint it too rosy. **[00:58:50]** That would be a much more interesting question for me. **[00:58:53]** Otherwise, in general, we have of course thought about this in the company, **[00:58:56]** and these questions come to us. **[00:58:58]** When someone pushes for a specific age, **[00:59:01]** to tell them, **[00:59:03]** we usually say from about twelve. **[00:59:07]** But if you have children, **[00:59:09]** or come into contact with them somehow, **[00:59:11]** you know very well how incredibly individual this is. **[00:59:14]** So it's basically from twelve years old, plus or minus four years. **[00:59:21]** For example, when we go to teach first aid at scout camps, **[00:59:25]** the most common thing we do there **[00:59:28]** is let the kids walk through the forest, **[00:59:30]** a long loop, **[00:59:31]** where they encounter different stations. **[00:59:33]** Some have model situations, **[00:59:35]** some have games with bandages, **[00:59:37]** and some make slingshots from tourniquets, and so on. **[00:59:41]** And we usually make coed groups for the scouts there. **[00:59:45]** So the groups that go through the stations together **[00:59:48]** include six-year-olds, seven-year-olds, nine-year-olds, twelve-year-olds, fourteen-year-olds. **[00:59:54]** And we let that group of kids approach it as a team. **[00:59:59]** And it works. **[01:00:00]** And then absolutely amazing things happen. **[01:00:03]** You can clearly see how the oldest scouts, **[01:00:06]** handle the model situation at the same time. **[01:00:10]** And at the same time, they have the six-year-old with them, **[01:00:14]** and that also has to be managed somehow. **[01:00:18]** And that's great. I really enjoy when this happens. **[01:00:21]** So I completely broke the twelve-year-old boundary, **[01:00:25]** because if you were to go to such a course **[01:00:27]** and sign up together with your child, **[01:00:30]** who is eight, **[01:00:33]** I would say yes. **[01:00:35]** If you go there as a parent with them, **[01:00:37]** I would simply take you as two participants, **[01:00:39]** because you as a parent, together with the child, **[01:00:41]** will go through a truly important experience. **[01:00:44]** If a crisis situation happens, **[01:00:46]** how I as a parent will behave, **[01:00:48]** how I as a parent will treat you, **[01:00:50]** my son, who has zero experience, what your role is, **[01:00:52]** and let's just try it out. **[01:00:55]** And it's an experiential course. **[01:01:01]** An experiential course has rules. **[01:01:03]** One of those rules is the stop rule. **[01:01:05]** The parent will know it and the child will know it, **[01:01:07]** that whenever it’s too much for them, **[01:01:09]** and it’s too unpleasant, **[01:01:11]** they have the immediate freedom to leave at any time. **[01:01:14]** They can go around the corner, breathe out, **[01:01:16]** calm down, decide, **[01:01:18]** whether they want to return or not, **[01:01:21]** and then possibly re-enter the role-play situation. **[01:01:26]** So, twelve years old? I don’t know. **[01:01:29]** It’s individual. **[01:01:31]** It depends on how you work with it. **[01:01:35]** Thanks for the thorough answer. **[01:01:37]** That’s how I like it. **[01:01:40]** If a person doesn’t use learned knowledge often, **[01:01:43]** it gets forgotten. **[01:01:45]** How often should someone take a first aid course? **[01:01:47]** To refresh everything. **[01:01:50]** Fortunately, we have an institution for these things. **[01:01:54]** It’s called the European Resuscitation Council. **[01:01:57]** And luckily, **[01:01:59]** we also have the Czech Resuscitation Council. **[01:02:02]** The European Resuscitation Council **[01:02:04]** constantly gathers many scientists, research, etc. **[01:02:06]** and their sole job is to answer exactly these questions. **[01:02:09]** Then there’s the Czech Resuscitation Council, **[01:02:13]** which tries to represent this across the Czech Republic **[01:02:15]** and translate it into Czech. **[01:02:18]** Thanks to them, we know **[01:02:20]** that the optimal is to take a first aid course **[01:02:22]** every two to three years. **[01:02:25]** If it’s experiential. **[01:02:27]** If it’s lecture-based, with no experiences or role-plays, **[01:02:29]** then it’s kind of irrelevant. **[01:02:32]** But if the course is built on experience **[01:02:34]** and includes role-play situations, **[01:02:37]** then I recommend once every two to three years. **[01:02:39]** And of course, if in the period between courses **[01:02:45]** and you insert some real experience **[01:02:47]** and somehow refresh it, **[01:02:50]** then of course the memory trace deepens **[01:02:53]** and then you can maybe wait a bit longer again, **[01:02:56]** before you attend some course. **[01:03:00]** So something like that. Two to three years. **[01:03:03]** Do you have a few myths and nonsense that are spreading? **[01:03:06]** Yes, many. Lots and lots. **[01:03:10]** For example... **[01:03:12]** You can learn first aid from a lecture. **[01:03:15]** That's one of the biggest nonsense, **[01:03:17]** we often encounter. **[01:03:19]** Then, for example, someone has epilepsy, quickly lie them down. **[01:03:24]** Or during full-body convulsions, **[01:03:27]** when the person has a seizure, **[01:03:29]** or something we might not even know, **[01:03:31]** whether it's epilepsy or something else. **[01:03:33]** They lie on the ground, shaking all over. **[01:03:35]** Quickly tilt their head back and open their mouth. **[01:03:37]** That's another nonsense. **[01:03:39]** Put something in there. Wedge a strip between their teeth, **[01:03:41]** so they don't hurt themselves. **[01:03:44]** Put your finger in. **[01:03:46]** If you don't want to lose it. **[01:03:49]** There are many such myths. **[01:03:51]** And instead of pulling them out of my pocket here, **[01:03:54]** just google first aid myths. **[01:04:00]** We've been dealing with this topic since 2013 **[01:04:04]** and have collected 99 myths so far. **[01:04:07]** So if you find the right link, **[01:04:09]** you'll get a list like this **[01:04:11]** 99 first aid myths **[01:04:13]** and then you can enjoy reading the ones that catch your interest. **[01:04:15]** And as the list of 99 is, **[01:04:17]** we gradually pick **[01:04:20]** the ones we find most entertaining, **[01:04:22]** we take those into the podcast **[01:04:24]** and talk about them in the podcast. **[01:04:26]** So you can find them in the podcast too. **[01:04:31]** Where is the line to avoid endangering **[01:04:33]** yourself and your family when helping? **[01:04:35]** For example, I'm driving alone with small children. **[01:04:37]** Is it safe to stop at an accident? **[01:04:39]** Yeah, I understand the question. **[01:04:41]** And no one can help you with this. **[01:04:46]** Because the boundary, **[01:04:48]** of what I will still do, **[01:04:50]** and what I won't, **[01:04:52]** I set that boundary once and for all. **[01:04:54]** That's just how it is. **[01:04:56]** At the moment you provide first aid, **[01:04:58]** there won't be a paramedic, **[01:05:00]** police officer, or firefighter on site. **[01:05:03]** And no one will say, **[01:05:05]** "Please step aside, **[01:05:07]** we'll handle this here." **[01:05:09]** You're alone there. **[01:05:11]** So you set the boundary, **[01:05:13]** and the only thing you can do for yourself **[01:05:15]** is to have a well-trained inner hero, **[01:05:17]** who helps you **[01:05:21]** be more aware in the situation, **[01:05:23]** more online, **[01:05:25]** and that way you set the boundary better. **[01:05:27]** You'll be able to think it through better **[01:05:30]** and identify the danger better. **[01:05:32]** And the second thing **[01:05:34]** you can do for yourself **[01:05:36]** is to go through some experiences, **[01:05:38]** which are deliberately designed **[01:05:40]** to somehow show or visualize **[01:05:42]** what happens if you cross that boundary too far. **[01:05:44]** And what danger might be waiting for you there. **[01:05:46]** But then in real practice, **[01:05:58]** when you really stopped or didn't stop at that traffic accident, **[01:06:00]** that's entirely up to you. **[01:06:02]** Only you choose that, **[01:06:04]** no one else is there. **[01:06:06]** Alright. **[01:06:12]** Failure to provide first aid **[01:06:14]** can lead to penalties. **[01:06:16]** Penalties also apply for fatal mistakes **[01:06:18]** during first aid. **[01:06:20]** Got it. **[01:06:22]** Petr is asking. **[01:06:24]** I always like when someone signs their name, **[01:06:26]** so it's not anonymous, thanks Petr. **[01:06:28]** That's great. Hi Petr. **[01:06:30]** The laws, **[01:06:34]** that we have written on this, **[01:06:36]** as they are used now and how these laws **[01:06:38]** are interpreted and how the explanations **[01:06:40]** are written for them, it works like this: **[01:06:42]** if you called the ambulance **[01:06:44]** and didn't ignore the situation, **[01:06:46]** then you have provided first aid. **[01:06:48]** And that's it. You're off the hook. **[01:06:50]** So you can stand over that person, **[01:06:52]** who desperately needs you to do something, **[01:06:54]** you can even post it on Instagram, **[01:06:56]** but if you called the ambulance, **[01:06:58]** at that moment you're off the hook. **[01:07:00]** It's silly, **[01:07:02]** but that's how it is. **[01:07:04]** And if you **[01:07:06]** take the position of being **[01:07:08]** brave, heroic, **[01:07:10]** aware and civic-minded, **[01:07:12]** and you actually go to help that person **[01:07:14]** and do something with them, **[01:07:24]** so the moment you do it **[01:07:26]** in good faith **[01:07:28]** and with the conviction **[01:07:30]** that you want to help that person, **[01:07:32]** at that moment it is not punishable. **[01:07:36]** And in first aid, **[01:07:40]** I just think **[01:07:42]** that when a layperson steps in to give first aid **[01:07:44]** and tries to help that person, **[01:07:46]** you simply have a better chance **[01:07:48]** of helping them **[01:07:50]** than hurting them. **[01:07:52]** We have some specific situations **[01:07:54]** in first aid that we focus on **[01:07:56]** in those courses. **[01:07:58]** Because the lay rescuer **[01:08:00]** has the potential to cause some harm. **[01:08:02]** Like for example, **[01:08:04]** whether to pull or not pull a person **[01:08:06]** out of a crashed car. When? And why? **[01:08:08]** That's a typical situation **[01:08:10]** where a layperson could potentially **[01:08:12]** cause a lot of damage **[01:08:14]** and make the situation worse. **[01:08:16]** But because we know **[01:08:18]** that this potential exists, **[01:08:20]** we focus on such situations in the courses. **[01:08:22]** We talk about them **[01:08:24]** and deliberately record model situations **[01:08:26]** in case the person finds themselves in this position, **[01:08:28]** so it can be addressed in feedback **[01:08:30]** and so the person has the experience **[01:08:32]** of being in that situation **[01:08:34]** and having to solve it somehow. **[01:08:36]** So when you supplement it **[01:08:38]** with an experiential course, **[01:08:40]** the chance that you will intervene **[01:08:42]** and everything will be fine increases enormously. **[01:08:44]** But when you do first aid, **[01:08:46]** in an attempt made in good faith **[01:08:48]** If you're helping someone and you make a mistake, **[01:08:50]** from a legal perspective, **[01:08:52]** nothing will happen to you. **[01:08:54]** You might **[01:08:56]** feel personally bad about it, **[01:08:58]** but legally, you're probably safe. **[01:09:02]** The Záchranka app **[01:09:04]** is definitely a good thing, **[01:09:06]** but it's probably still better to call 155 **[01:09:08]** or 112, right? **[01:09:10]** The Záchranka app **[01:09:12]** calls 155. **[01:09:14]** That happens. **[01:09:16]** That's the point. **[01:09:18]** Anonymously, unfortunately. **[01:09:20]** Only that **[01:09:22]** the Záchranka app **[01:09:24]** adds to that **[01:09:26]** the dialing of 155 **[01:09:28]** with some additional service. **[01:09:30]** That additional service is, **[01:09:32]** for example, you can enter some information about yourself into the app. **[01:09:34]** I am diabetic, **[01:09:36]** I had two bypass surgeries, **[01:09:38]** I am allergic to these and those antibiotics, **[01:09:40]** and so on. **[01:09:42]** And when you call through the Záchranka app, **[01:09:44]** besides them knowing **[01:09:46]** that you are calling, **[01:09:48]** they can also read this information. **[01:09:50]** Then, of course, another important thing **[01:09:52]** is that when you call through **[01:09:54]** the Záchranka app, you send **[01:09:56]** your location to the emergency service. **[01:09:58]** So you don't have to spend four minutes explaining, "I crossed at the red light, then turned at the blue one." **[01:10:00]** And next to me is a pond and a chapel. **[01:10:07]** But they see you right away. **[01:10:10]** And they just ask. **[01:10:12]** If you look over there and there, there's a pond, do you see the pond? **[01:10:18]** And you say, yeah, I see a pond. **[01:10:20]** And the dispatcher says, aha, good, we have you. **[01:10:22]** This is the power of the Záchranka app. **[01:10:25]** It will still dial 155. **[01:10:27]** Maybe it's good to say that if you install it, you can turn on a mode there, **[01:10:32]** where you can freely try out all of this. **[01:10:36]** So I think that was one of the homework assignments given. **[01:10:40]** So again. **[01:10:42]** That's right. **[01:10:43]** The principle of repetition. **[01:10:44]** That's right. **[01:10:47]** Here's the question whether all this is your own know-how, **[01:10:51]** or if you draw from somewhere else. **[01:10:52]** Methodica studies procedures. **[01:10:54]** Is there some kind of community that actually shares how to make courses, **[01:10:59]** what situations are like, and so on? **[01:11:00]** Maybe international, or do you come up with it yourselves? **[01:11:05]** Unfortunately, I don't know about an international community. **[01:11:09]** Our most basic source, I would almost say the original source, **[01:11:13]** is a very important Czech institution called the Lipnice Summer School. **[01:11:19]** These are people who, under the threat of being prosecuted, **[01:11:24]** invented, experimented with, and introduced experiential pedagogy. **[01:11:29]** Even during the communist era. **[01:11:32]** Even before 1989, they experimented with teaching methods **[01:11:40]** that led people to have their own opinions. **[01:11:42]** Which was a terrible thing at that time. **[01:11:45]** But they came up with ways to do it even under communism, **[01:11:49]** and today the Lipnice Summer School still exists. **[01:11:53]** It is an institution that laid the foundations of experiential pedagogy here, **[01:11:57]** and that is the first source from which we draw the how-to, **[01:12:04]** the methods, like the Kolb cycle and how to work with experience, **[01:12:08]** and how to give targeted feedback. **[01:12:10]** We primarily draw all these things from the Lipnice Summer School. **[01:12:14]** They are our great inspirers and teachers. **[01:12:17]** Then there is an unofficial small group of companies, **[01:12:25]** that teach first aid through experience in the Czech Republic, **[01:12:29]** trying to do it as best as possible, meeting somehow, **[01:12:32]** and trying to share know-how among themselves, etc. **[01:12:35]** At least us, Drs, and První pomoc živě, **[01:12:40]** at least these three companies. **[01:12:42]** And at least once a year, we meet at a conference, **[01:12:45]** which is called, well, now I don't remember the name of the conference, **[01:12:49]** but anyway, it's a Czech conference that deals with, **[01:12:53]** how to teach first aid through experience. **[01:12:55]** And there we meet and exchange our experiences, skills, etc. **[01:13:00]** We go there every year to meet and learn. **[01:13:03]** So I would name at least these two sources. **[01:13:06]** And then of course the third and for us the most important source, **[01:13:09]** are experiences. **[01:13:10]** Please, everything that Prpom brings you, **[01:13:13]** and possibly the other companies I mentioned, **[01:13:16]** is all tested on people. **[01:13:20]** Whenever we bring something to participants, **[01:13:24]** we always test it on ourselves first, of course. **[01:13:28]** Recently, for example, we developed a completely new way **[01:13:32]** to experientially approach first aid training for children. **[01:13:36]** That means courses attended by moms, **[01:13:39]** teachers, grandfathers, aunts, uncles, parents, **[01:13:44]** and all these people who come into contact with children, **[01:13:47]** educators, basically people who work in youth centers, **[01:13:51]** and so on, coaches, teachers. **[01:13:55]** So we have a course that is basically basic, **[01:13:59]** simple, full-day, experiential, on how to give first aid to children. **[01:14:03]** And we have just completely revised and tested it on ourselves. **[01:14:09]** I recall one situation when I was patting **[01:14:13]** my little son’s carrot, **[01:14:17]** when he was completely gray, I will never forget that day, **[01:14:20]** but because I was there, I knew how to pat him, **[01:14:24]** because I probably wouldn’t have known otherwise. **[01:14:26]** So it definitely comes in handy if you don’t want to be surprised. **[01:14:31]** Maybe I’ll try to respond to that lipnica. **[01:14:35]** Many people from the Red Button network are either students, **[01:14:39]** or currently involved there. **[01:14:41]** Mr. Aleš Pokrlý, Ondra Suchy, etc. **[01:14:43]** And we are trying to move education here in our country **[01:14:46]** in this direction. **[01:14:48]** So thanks a lot for bringing up that Kolb’s cycle is something **[01:14:51]** that was mentioned here. **[01:14:53]** And the reason I’m going around this way is **[01:14:55]** that actually, when we talked about the Brain&Breakfast scenario, **[01:14:59]** So I reacted a bit and said, **[01:15:01]** but this isn't just some team building. **[01:15:04]** It can actually be a very interesting leadership course. **[01:15:07]** Because you actually look at yourself in today's situations, **[01:15:10]** how those people work. **[01:15:12]** That means it can really be nicely structured **[01:15:15]** to have some additional effects, **[01:15:18]** but it has to be done well by people **[01:15:20]** who understand that this is it. **[01:15:22]** And you actually said that with Jirka Bréda, **[01:15:26]** we'll do some advertising here, that you already **[01:15:28]** collaborate with him on this, so greetings to Jirka Bréda. **[01:15:31]** And I think it's a really nice thing. **[01:15:34]** Yeah, the first swallow is out, **[01:15:36]** together with a great company, greetings to them, **[01:15:40]** we are Hero, so we built a course **[01:15:42]** that is just coming into the company **[01:15:45]** and helps the company or a team **[01:15:49]** adopt some change. **[01:15:52]** And we do it like this, **[01:15:54]** they alternate **[01:15:57]** theoretical blocks, **[01:15:59]** where they somehow discuss **[01:16:01]** what change is, how to adopt it, **[01:16:03]** how to approach it, **[01:16:04]** how to work with it, etc. **[01:16:06]** And into that we throw in elements **[01:16:08]** of first aid, which we teach through experience. **[01:16:12]** Which means they have **[01:16:14]** a constant supply into the course **[01:16:18]** of some changes and sudden **[01:16:20]** and dynamic situations, **[01:16:22]** which, however, do not concern **[01:16:25]** the change they are dealing with at work. **[01:16:27]** So they can free their brain **[01:16:29]** completely from some **[01:16:31]** petty squabbles **[01:16:33]** and various other unpleasantnesses, **[01:16:34]** which they might have in the company. **[01:16:36]** And they can think about the change **[01:16:38]** and about how to work with it, **[01:16:39]** to talk on neutral ground. **[01:16:41]** So sometimes we even use **[01:16:43]** first aid training for this. **[01:16:45]** And it works for us. **[01:16:47]** I really like that program. **[01:16:49]** And I'm always happy when a company **[01:16:51]** comes with the courage **[01:16:53]** to try this, **[01:16:55]** because it seems like a great combination to me. **[01:16:57]** Just Aleš mentioned here, **[01:17:00]** thanks for mentioning the empty Nova school Lipnice, **[01:17:02]** but the correct name is Zdrsem, **[01:17:04]** so just clarifying, Aleš, **[01:17:06]** thank you very, very much. **[01:17:08]** We have another question here, **[01:17:10]** and Markéta asks, **[01:17:12]** I noticed the gentleman in the studio **[01:17:14]** had trouble orienting himself in a tense situation **[01:17:16]** while on the phone. Is there a way **[01:17:18]** not to panic and quickly get oriented? **[01:17:23]** Nothing else comes to mind but experience. **[01:17:26]** If something **[01:17:28]** can't be solved for you **[01:17:30]** and it's **[01:17:32]** stressful and dynamic, **[01:17:34]** then I can't think of anything else **[01:17:36]** but to create some training for yourself, **[01:17:38]** how you will enter such a situation **[01:17:40]** again and again, **[01:17:42]** and set the way **[01:17:44]** you repeatedly enter that situation, **[01:17:46]** in such a way **[01:17:48]** that the steps are **[01:17:50]** the right length for you. **[01:17:52]** So it's always **[01:17:54]** a bit uncomfortable, but manageable. **[01:17:56]** I overcome it, **[01:17:58]** in the end, success is checked off, **[01:18:00]** I get a dose of dopamine **[01:18:02]** and a greater desire to try again. **[01:18:04]** This is how **[01:18:06]** not only our courses work, but this is how **[01:18:08]** any kind of learning works, **[01:18:10]** when done properly. That means, if you want to learn, **[01:18:12]** to be a good speaker **[01:18:14]** and speak in front of people, you do it exactly the same way. **[01:18:18]** You first **[01:18:20]** practice the presentation alone in front of a mirror, **[01:18:22]** then to your partner, **[01:18:24]** then to your mom, **[01:18:26]** then you take it to your colleagues at work, **[01:18:28]** and this way you can **[01:18:30]** gradually build it up, **[01:18:32]** until you finally stand in front of a crowd **[01:18:34]** and manage it. **[01:18:36]** And it's probably like that with everything. **[01:18:38]** We do first aid exactly the same way. **[01:18:40]** In those courses, it builds up similarly **[01:18:42]** and gradually intensifies. **[01:18:44]** One thing caught my attention when I was listening to you, **[01:18:46]** when you talked about training, presentations, **[01:18:48]** and this and that, it popped into my mind, **[01:18:50]** that actually **[01:18:52]** we have done a lot of interesting **[01:18:54]** presentation skills in virtual reality, when I put a headset on my head **[01:18:56]** and see a big audience, etc. **[01:18:58]** Is there a trend **[01:19:00]** to train first aid **[01:19:02]** in virtual reality somehow, or any technological hints **[01:19:04]** ahead? Or do you not know? **[01:19:06]** No. **[01:19:08]** I don't know of anything. **[01:19:10]** Definitely not a trend. **[01:19:12]** On our side, **[01:19:14]** like at Prpom, there is a huge desire **[01:19:16]** and great willingness **[01:19:18]** to immediately jump into something like that **[01:19:24]** and pour in **[01:19:26]** all the know-how, **[01:19:28]** that we have so far. **[01:19:30]** We really want to **[01:19:32]** experiment and try new things. **[01:19:34]** I think it's an interesting **[01:19:36]** path that needs to be explored. **[01:19:38]** I'm very tempted by it **[01:19:40]** and we couldn't **[01:19:42]** find on the other side the people **[01:19:44]** who work with that output **[01:19:46]** and have the second know-how that belongs to it, **[01:19:48]** we haven't found **[01:19:50]** any good partner there, **[01:19:52]** who would dive into it with us. **[01:19:54]** So with this, I throw **[01:19:56]** down the glove **[01:19:58]** and whoever picks it up first... **[01:20:00]** I look forward to meeting for coffee and talking more. **[01:20:03]** Great, I think there are many excellent companies in Czechia, **[01:20:07]** that focus exactly on these applications. **[01:20:09]** To do? Go on. **[01:20:11]** One more glove has to be thrown. **[01:20:13]** One more? **[01:20:13]** One more glove. **[01:20:14]** And someone will raise the money for it. **[01:20:16]** Thanks. **[01:20:18]** We were supposed to throw the glove in that Kinder... **[01:20:22]** Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. **[01:20:24]** That would be best. **[01:20:25]** Too bad I have it in my backpack, not here. **[01:20:26]** That would really have a good effect. **[01:20:29]** Here someone is just commenting, anonymous again, but that's okay. **[01:20:32]** Kids go to a camp where they learn first aid **[01:20:34]** and then have a practical exercise where half the kids act as injured **[01:20:37]** and half rescue, no trauma, ages 6 to 15. **[01:20:40]** So that's great. **[01:20:41]** Yeah, I'm glad, I'm glad. **[01:20:42]** It's possible someone wrote that it's our course. **[01:20:45]** I don't know, the camp. **[01:20:47]** I hope there are more camps like this, **[01:20:49]** but I don't know of any others. **[01:20:51]** Do you also offer courses in English for international teams? **[01:20:54]** Yes, definitely. **[01:20:55]** English is a given. **[01:20:57]** What if there was no signal somewhere in the forest? **[01:20:59]** What are the options? **[01:21:02]** Zdeněk, thanks for the great question. **[01:21:04]** Yeah, Zdeněk. **[01:21:05]** Thanks for writing your name, Zdeněk. **[01:21:11]** This is really unpleasant **[01:21:12]** and worst when you're alone there. **[01:21:14]** If there are two of you, **[01:21:16]** it's just math, **[01:21:19]** second grade science. **[01:21:21]** One stays there, **[01:21:22]** the other runs for help **[01:21:23]** or runs until they find a signal. **[01:21:24]** That's pretty obvious. **[01:21:25]** But when you're alone, **[01:21:28]** you have to decide **[01:21:30]** whether it's more beneficial for the person **[01:21:32]** who needs help, **[01:21:34]** that you stay with them, **[01:21:35]** or that you run for help. **[01:21:36]** And of course, the catch is **[01:21:38]** if you stay with them alone **[01:21:39]** and can't call for help, **[01:21:40]** you could be stuck there forever. **[01:21:43]** So you have to judge the right moment **[01:21:45]** when you say, **[01:21:46]** this is really awful, **[01:21:49]** this hurts me a lot, **[01:21:51]** but I'm leaving you here now **[01:21:54]** and going for help. **[01:21:56]** Goodbye. **[01:21:57]** There is no clear-cut guide, **[01:22:06]** when exactly to do this. **[01:22:09]** At least there is a guide, **[01:22:11]** on how to behave, **[01:22:13]** when you have to leave a person, **[01:22:15]** who is unconscious. **[01:22:19]** And that can be handled somehow. **[01:22:21]** It's not a cure-all, **[01:22:22]** but you can at least put them in a position, **[01:22:24]** so you can run off to get first aid. **[01:22:26]** Thank you, Ondřej. **[01:22:31]** I would stop here now, **[01:22:32]** maybe earlier than I usually do. **[01:22:34]** And I would rather invite you now, first, **[01:22:38]** Thank you very much for the questions, **[01:22:41]** you asked, **[01:22:43]** to give us feedback, **[01:22:45]** on how you liked it today. **[01:22:47]** I saw there are a few reactions here, **[01:22:49]** as I said, **[01:22:51]** please, **[01:22:53]** where we broadcast live, **[01:22:55]** tell us, **[01:22:57]** how it affected you today, **[01:22:59]** including our larp, **[01:23:01]** the scene, **[01:23:03]** that you created. **[01:23:05]** Surprise. **[01:23:07]** So thank you very much for that. **[01:23:09]** Please try, **[01:23:11]** to vote on the slide, **[01:23:13]** how much you liked it today. **[01:23:15]** One star means, **[01:23:17]** you aged, **[01:23:19]** five stars means, **[01:23:21]** you took something away, **[01:23:23]** you enjoyed it, **[01:23:25]** and that you'll come back **[01:23:27]** and recommend the breakfast to others. **[01:23:29]** So thank you very much. **[01:23:33]** Here at this slide **[01:23:35]** please, director, **[01:23:37]** who is especially involved in this today. **[01:23:39]** Please try, **[01:23:41]** to talk about what you experienced here today **[01:23:43]** or what you saw today, **[01:23:45]** what you heard, with someone. **[01:23:47]** Try to really do a round of reflection **[01:23:49]** and it's clearly stated in the Kolb cycle. **[01:23:51]** It really helps. **[01:23:53]** We’re not doing this here just for fun. **[01:23:55]** I think it’s something **[01:23:57]** that helps anchor things more for you. **[01:23:59]** We have some guiding questions, **[01:24:01]** like what was your aha moment, **[01:24:03]** what surprised you, and so on, **[01:24:05]** so you can download them if you want. **[01:24:07]** You’ll find it as a challenge, **[01:24:09]** if you’re watching us live, **[01:24:11]** right under the live stream, **[01:24:13]** where the recording will also be, **[01:24:15]** because I know there was a question about this, **[01:24:17]** so the recording will be available right away, **[01:24:19]** once we finish on EDUtéka. **[01:24:21]** Ondřej and I will meet on September 7th. **[01:24:23]** On September 7th at lunch, **[01:24:25]** we’ll do some kind of **[01:24:27]** reflection, if you want **[01:24:30]** to join us and dive deeper **[01:24:32]** into this topic, **[01:24:34]** then definitely tune into Red Button EDU, **[01:24:36]** tune into the digest on September 7th at 12:30. **[01:24:38]** There will be me, Ondřej, and a few others, **[01:24:40]** and we’ll talk about, **[01:24:42]** for example, how experiential learning is done, **[01:24:44]** and about what touched us, **[01:24:46]** especially regarding first aid and so on. **[01:24:48]** So you’re warmly welcome. **[01:24:50]** Red Button does **[01:24:56]** many projects, one of them is the book of the month, **[01:24:58]** Zdeněk Michálek, who is by the way a scout, **[01:25:00]** definitely has a lot of experience with it **[01:25:02]** and we send him our regards, he recommended **[01:25:04]** the book Conscious Business. **[01:25:06]** Be sure to follow the activities **[01:25:08]** further on Red Button edu. **[01:25:10]** So next month, **[01:25:12]** that's September, **[01:25:14]** we continue **[01:25:16]** of course with our **[01:25:18]** Brain and Breakfast carousel. **[01:25:20]** I'm very happy **[01:25:22]** that after a really long, **[01:25:24]** long, long time **[01:25:26]** we arranged a meeting with Karolína Bresová. **[01:25:28]** Karolína is the founder **[01:25:30]** of something called **[01:25:32]** replakmí. She is **[01:25:34]** a psychologist, a person who **[01:25:36]** is very knowledgeable **[01:25:38]** in digital technologies **[01:25:40]** and especially in how they have, **[01:25:42]** let's say, a harmful impact on our children. **[01:25:44]** How **[01:25:46]** children cope with it **[01:25:48]** and how we as parents **[01:25:50]** should approach these things. I think that **[01:25:52]** with the arrival of AI, artificial intelligence, **[01:25:54]** and these things, **[01:25:56]** which will permeate us as humans **[01:25:58]** even more, **[01:26:00]** the lecture will be even more interesting. **[01:26:02]** So if this topic interests you, **[01:26:04]** Homo Digitus humanity **[01:26:06]** in the next edition, Karolína Bresová **[01:26:08]** on 21.9. from 8:30. **[01:26:10]** Be sure to come either here **[01:26:12]** to the Magenta Experience Center **[01:26:16]** or listen to us on **[01:26:18]** Red Button Edu. **[01:26:20]** Ondřej, thanks again, it was great **[01:26:23]** and take care, **[01:26:25]** thanks a lot, goodbye and hi.